Thoughts on Aboriginals
These comments were made four years ago and I just found them while seaching for something else. The initial comment asks for the opinion of Australians about Aboriginals.
I have long been interested - and saddened - about the Aborigines of Australia. I recently re-watched Rabbit Proof Fence, which I first saw in 2004. A truly disturbing film based on a true story about "half-breed" children that were stolen from their parents by the Australian government up until 1970 or so.
I have been to Australia twice: the second time to spend more time in the interior and learn more about the Aboriginals. It was truly saddening - the poverty, discrimination, alcoholism. Not much unlike what has happened amongst the Native Americans in the US. Like the Native Americans, I think they are a beautiful group of people.
I met a group of 20-somethings in Darwin and asked them what they thought about the Abos. "We hate them," they replied.
Curious to hear other thoughts.
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They're not viewed very positively here in Perth because they factor big and disproportionately in violent crime figures. Most people here are afraid of them. Basic survival techniques here are to avoid them, especially if they're in groups. A large proportion of the most violent physical attacks on people are by 3% of the population - Aborigines, so sue me if I don't exactly want to get warm and cozy with one. I don't want to have that attitude or feeling about Aborigines or anyone, but hey, I like to stay safe, and alive. An ex-cop friend of mine says that's, unfortunately, a sensible attitude. And we learned the hard way when my son and his friends were attacked & mugged in the middle of the busy city shopping area, twice, by guess-who. Reported it to the cops and they basically shrugged their shoulders, said nothing could be done, and in future, avoid them.
And as far as Rudd and his 'Sorry' - it seems like it's just a meaningless, feel-good gesture. Nothing will change. It's in the 'too-hard' basket. You want to try or do anything, and somebody will howl you down as a racist - even Aborigines can't agree amongst themselves what should be done. Take kids away from horrific family/community situations - and it's the Stolen Generation all over again. Leave them in those families/communities to be abused in the most sickening ways imagineable, and it's all our fault for not doing something. A vicious, neverending circle.
So we'll continue to tsk tsk about the problem, demand "something must be done", but shuffle off and get busy with something else.
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I don't really like most of 'em; They're extremely violent and rude; they go around picking fights against white people in groups of 6-10; They vandalize and destroy public properly; If they complain that they have nowhere to live, then the government builds them free homes, and then the aboriginals destroy those free homes and complain that they get nothing; they get reduced interest rates on cars, homeloans, ect. but they never end up paying them off despite how significantly cheaper their rates are compared ours; If they get tired of paying for something then the government finishes paying it for them, no punishment; Us white Auzzies have to pay for fishing licenses and such, whereas indigenous australians have the right to catch whatever they please without paying anything. Oh, and the aboriginal men abuse and hurt their wives, the government gives them free money, and they just blow it all on alcohol, their kids have dirty clothes and little food. There's probably heaps of other stuff that I didn't include there, but I think this is plenty.
Australia sucks, and I do blame these types of aboriginals for making our country a lot worse than what should be. There's like.. 20% of aboriginals who are decent, clean, hard working and friendly people - who i'm more than happy to share this country with.
How about having an equal country with equal rights.. I really couldn't care who was here first, but we're all here now, so suck it up..
I'm 9th generation australian. But i'm not black, so it means nothing..
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Yesterday, we were on the train home from work and three young Aboriginal girls were on the train with all the commuters. Luckily, they were only on the train for one station. From the time the doors closed, to when they opened again at the next station, we had to listen to them loudly spouting their racist hatred towards us "white c***s" (their pet name for us whitie invaders). White c***s was repeated, oh, at least 50 times.
Nobody dared even look at them, because that would be putting your personal safety, maybe even your life, in grave danger. So we just sat/stood there and took it. No doubt quite a few opinions of Aboriginals went further down the toilet during those excrutiating 3 minutes. Including mine.
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Yes, I appreciate and know that despicable behaviour is displayed by all types. And perhaps it's because Perth has a higher Aboriginal population and few other ethnic groups that it stands out.
But my view and other people's views are not just about those 3 twits, or some other infrequent occurrence by one or two. This wasn't a one-off. This is very common. And not just on trains. Everyone has similar stories about being called that vile term, not once but many, many times. Old ladies get called that, for pete's sake.
And it's not just the vile spoutings, it's the disproportionately high incidences of very violent physical attacks on people by Aboriginals. My friend's 75-year old mum accidentally bumped into an Aboriginal girl in a crowded shop in town, said sorry, excuse me, as you do. And was kicked in the back and called a white C. She fell to the floor, cracked her knee and broke her wrist. Anyone you talk to will have their own personal negative experience.
If the situation were reversed, something would be done. But this is just quietly swept under the carpet and excused. We're supposed to shut up and take it. And this breeds contempt. It's hard to move forward when one side is breastfed with unreasonable hatred for the other and refuses to take on the concept of personal responsibility.
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Yeah, it is a very different situation in WA.
I remember before I had been to Western Australia being really concerned about how Western Australians spoke of the Aboriginals, until I went and saw how it can be.
I remember being in a club, can't remember what suburb now and there was a large group of Aboriginal women there who were very intimidating and incredibly rude and aggressive. Looking for trouble. Most people went out of their way to avoid talking to them or being anywhere near their general vacinity simply because of the level of menace they sensed from them. We weren't there long after they arrived before I said I wanted to leave. When we got out the front of the club to hail a cab there was another large group of Aboriginal women fighting with the bouncers!!! We walked further down the street out of the way before hailing the cab. That's not something I've ever had to do here in Melbourne. We just don't have a large aboriginal population and generally that kind of thing simply doesn't go on here. Usually if I'm not liking the other patrons in a club or pub it's because they're drunken blokes looking for a fight. I don't really care then, what their background is, just that they're being a-holes.
I do know that my friends in WA have had similar incidents to the ones you have mentioned happen to them also.
Here when little old ladies are attacked it's usually junkies, low life cowardly criminals or as is becoming increasingly more regular ethnic minorities from war torn countries that are granted assylum and set up home in the poorer suburbs. Seems that poverty and immigration can make some people very resentful of others and angry at the world in general.
It's not right and definitely something should be done about it.
Do you find that these kinds of incidents are more prevalent in some suburbs and areas of Perth than others Vichel?
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The CBD is the worst, especially around Forrest Place - a big square outside of Myer, near the train station. It should be a good place to hang out. And for the most part, it is fine. 99% of the time, you can walk through there perfectly safe in the daytime, as it's busy. You just have to keep your wits about you and, I cringe at having to say this, if you see a group of Aboriginals, it's best to steer clear. That's what my son and his friends learned the hard way, that's what others have said and do themselves.
Friday night, the shops are open til 9pm in the city but it's best not to hang out in the Forrest Place area beyond then. And of course, all sorts of any colour can be a problem there.
Northbridge, our nightlife district just north of the CBD can be bad too. Beligerent violent pale-faced drunks are the biggest blight there, but you can see lots of very young Aboriginal kids there (out very late at night). And they get into trouble - causing it mostly. There were a lot of incidences of them walking by outdoor eating areas and spitting in people's food. Bit of a cop crackdown on that, just with some basic police presence and I haven't heard of much of this going on anymore.
They're too young to be out like that but it seems to be their culture to let them run wild, under the alleged "supervision" of an older cousin, who's often about 16 & 17 and clearly not responsible enough. I think they fall back on some outdated notions of their culture too much and can't relate to the fact, it's a different world today, and in the city. Community/family is great, but there's a limit to what it can do, and how far it can reach.
Beyond that, there is no one or three suburbs that stand out as being particularly bad. The problem can be anywhere. Usually in the less expensive neighbourhoods. Train stations at night, of course, which are problematic everywhere. Here, the problems are mostly by packs of Aboriginal kids. They can be absolutely vicious.
I just hate that it has to be this way. I do want the problem to be rectified. But I believe there's a faction that rely on the Aboriginal Grievance and Guilt Industry for their "jobs", paid for by an bottomless pit of taxpayer money. Parasites, white and black.
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Yeah, I understand what you're saying. Throwing money at it the way it has been doesn't seem to have improved the situation at all. I'm really not sure why more funding isn't allocated to the programs that do seem to be working and those models be expanded upon and less with some of the ridiculous things that seem to cause more trouble than they're worth.
I noticed on the ABC last night they were talking about a new commission that's been set up in Queensland. The Family Responsibility Commission. It appears to be doing good things in the community. I didn't manage to see the whole of the program but it did seem to be a very positive step in the right direction.
Of course, as usual, it's really hard to find out information about it.
I find that part of it really irritating. If we're going to do these things then they need to be open and accountable so that everyone can see how they are or are not functioning and performing. If particular groups don't like the scrutiny from the rest of us, then perhaps they need to tidy up their backyard first?
And I agree that it doesn't seem to matter what is said or done when it comes to some people, as soon as you mention Aboriginal affairs, you're immediately shouted down and told you're wrong and that you need to pay dues for all the suffering that you personally inflicted.
I get that perhaps some Aboriginals don't want to be "assimilated" into the Australian population but if that's the case then I don't understand why they don't have enough pride to reject any money that might come their way from the Australian taxpayer. Pathetically attacking those weaker than themselves and behaving abhorently because of policies and behaviours that so many of us had absolutely nothing to do with, really is offensive and needs to be stamped out. But then the same thing happens with a lot of people who immigrate and bring their hatred and anger with them here, all the while holding out their hands for whatever they can get and then biting the hand while they're at it.
I guess I just don't like crappy behaviour from anyone no matter what their colour or background and whilst I can sympathize that people face difficulties in life, I don't think it gives anyone a free pass to behave like an animal and inflict their rage on others. A lot of the problems that you seem to be having with the Aboriginal population we have here with some ethnic groups. Which truly bugs me because so many of the people that have come here have made Australia their home, let go of the past and just got on with it. One can only hope that community leaders can provide better role models, and instigate greater personal responsibility. I'm tired of hearing about how hard some kids have had it and this is the reason why they're behaving like monsters. There are plenty of kids and adults in this country that have lived through some truly horrific events and yet they seem to let go of their anger and embrace Australia for the opportunity that it is. A peaceful, happy life.
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I did a study abroad in Perth a couple of years ago and had the same encounter. Me and two buddies of mine were walking down the main street of Fremantle (I think South Terrace, whatever street the Kebab place is one) and were jumped by about 7-8 relatively young aborigines (We were all between 20-21, our attackers were probably no older than 18.) Anyway, I got knocked out while my friends just got punched a couple times. When we reported this too the cops, it was basically the same shrug of the shoulders from the officer.
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Sorry to hear that happened to you, skipcromer. How awful for you. It could have been far worse, but thankfully you're alright (I hope with no permanent damage).
I wonder how long it will be before our reputation as a tourist destination suffers because of this? Alice Springs after dark is frequently reported as being a nightmare. Broome has gone downhill too.
Political Correctness hobbles the police, hence the blasé attitude by them to these incidences.
My son works in a large supermarket. They often get brazen theft by groups of young Aboriginal kids who basically swarm a section, take what they please and run out. During school hours, no adult supervision. Store staff have been instructed to never get in their way as their physical safety would be at risk. It's reported but cops rarely show up.
No surprise there's resentment from the non-Aboriginal population.
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"life back then was short, tough, and harsh, and I for one am glad to live NOW"...and that goes for 'native' and invader alike.
I think that's a crucial point in the whole debate. Not all traditional ways of life are wonderful or ideal. Or even realistic to carry on with for thousands of years without changing. It's as if some want to preserve Aborigines, under glass, as live museum specimens.
The idea of Aborigines insisting on a "traditional way of life" should be questioned. What does it mean - to live the traditional way of life? Is it the old Hunter-Gatherer way of life? if so, then you can't expect modern Western-style outcomes when it comes to health, longevity, quality of life, infant mortality, happiness, etc. From what I see, living out in those squalid closed-communities is Hell. Why fight to keep that?
As the above comment says: it was short, tough and harsh. Me, that's the last place I'd want to go to - back to where my ancestors were thousands of years ago. I'd have been dead already.
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Recently, Rolf Harris has made some remarks about Aboriginals and their lifestyle which will probably have him tarred and feathered. But maybe there's some painful truth in them.
One thing I've always heard about traditional Aboriginal ways is that young kids are left to run wild and free, with no discipline, no rules, no boundaries. It all stops at puberty when they undergo some rather brutal initiation rite. Rolf Harris also talks about this. If it were some place in the Outback with others of the same mind and that made you happy, then fine. But I can see where this idea can clash, and horribly so, when it involves kids in towns and cities with others not of the same mindset - non-Aboriginal people, most of whom believe in boundaries and rules for their kids. This footloose and fancy-free mindset can also get distorted - instead of it being a fun thing, it can turn dangerous and criminal.
This seems to explain the fact that a high proporition of Aboriginal kids do run wild and limitation-free in cities, racking up dozens of convictions, stealing cars, joyriding, abusing & bashing people. If they've never had rules or boundaries set for them, can we expect much different? But at the same time, why should the rest of us put up with this, be victimised by it, pay for it? Out of respect for their culture? Pfft! I have no respect for crap like that. The world's a crowded place. If we're to get along, we have to all adhere to basic principles and rules. Sure, many break them, of all cultures/colours, but we can't go around excusing that because "it's their culture". It would be havoc.
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Some aborigional idiot is trying to sue the federal government for putting his great uncles face on our $50 note withhout his conscent! The fact is when they were developing the notes they did ask for their decendents to appove it and a women shows up and gives the government the Ok - This was more than 10 years ago!
Now this guy has come out and said she is not a direct descendant of the man is suing the federal government for damages.
Unfortunalty stories like this are common , blantant money grabs like this only widen the gap between the two cultures, they do nothing to heal it.
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It's simply romantic nonsense to assert otherwise. That goes for ALL cultures.
I think romanticisation of the Aboriginal culture is a big part of the problem. Nobody wants to pick it apart and suggest some practises are best dropped. Instead we're expected to believe it's all wonderful, and to "embrace" it. Everyday evidence shows it isn't wonderful, but we're told that's only because of white invasion.
Take 'spearing', for instance. A brutal form of traditional tribal punishment, nothing the white man brought. The victim is speared through the thigh. This is something I will never, ever "embrace" or respect. It is vile. The Aboriginal Legal Service says it's good and brings true equality for Aborigines. What the ....!!!!! Of course, it's non-traditional white man's medical system and disability pension that picks up the pieces.
And the kids running around wild and free - how many more have to die in stolen cars before they figure out it doesn't work outside small communities?
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Well I have to say that since man first stood upright and walked on this earth it has been a continual battle for take over of someone elses piece of dirt. It's called 'progress' and for better or worse that is what has brought us to the 'civilization?' we have today. Let's all of us give back their pieces of dirt that were taken over by our ancestors and we can all run around in loin cloths again clubbing each other. To me it's got zap to do with giving anything back to anyone, it's about working with what we have as a result of our predecessors 'invading' and/or 'occupying' someone elses bit of dirt, that's how it's been for centuries and it will continue to be so for centuries to come.
Columbus did it, Flinders did it, the Vikings did it, Ghengis Khan did it, Hitler tried to do it, Japan tried to do it! The strongest, better armed, better equipped, or better organised will take control. Nobody owes anything to anyone, it's called evolution and progress. Leave me alone please! They can have all they want, and all we have, but they have to get it the same way we all did, you can't turn the clock back I'm afraid, it only goes one way, forward! We can't go back and live as Neanderthals, that's going backwards and it simply won't happen, well not in my lifetime anyway. It's got nothing to do with race colour or creed either, it's about integrating successfully into the society of the day or be left by the wayside or exterminated, again it's called 'progress', it's not your fault and it's not mine, it's just the way it is, and has been, and they have to get used to it the same as we had to. They are no more indigenous than you or I, they've just been here longer....meaning they 'took over' this piece of dirt before we did when they were stranded on this island when all the continents parted ways millenia ago!
People rabbit on about this and that but it's simply the way the world goes round, as it's been doing so since time began, all *we* have to worry about is *who* will attempt to grab *our* piece of dirt from us sometime into the future....And so life goes on!
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Felidire's comments regarding a sense of endless entitlement are correct, uncomfortable as they may be to read....I should point out, however, that urban and most small-town Aborigines are mostly white- in fact, you would not consider most to be Aboriginal at all at first glance. The scope, ease of access and size of Government financial rewards for being considered Aboriginal in Australia ( including free and unlimited legal aid) are very substantial indeed.
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Im so sick of hearing whinging Aborigines and their "poor me" syndrome
I dont give a hoot who was here first. We are all Australian. No priveleges for those who got there first.
Aborigines are hardly an example to the community. The government gives them houses which they trash. Their communities have to be rescued every few years due to the childabuse and rampant aloholism that exists. No matter what happens, Aborigines are incapable of improving themselves. And they blame others.
I recall a "sorry" book at the University reception where I studied. I was told it is to sign if you feel sorry for the stolen lands and abuse of Aborigines. Well, I refused - myfamily arrived in the 60s in Australia and not one ancestor of mine did anything to a single Aborigine.
It infuriates me that there is a "tick here if you Aborigine or Torres Straight Islander" in job apllications forms. THAT is racism
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The way I see it is that they are not from a culture of working for a living, (only us stupid whities could come up with that ridiculous concept), they have been nomads for centuries, and it will require considerable time for them to get used to the idea of working for reward and to assimilate successfully into the current, or any future society as they must make some rather large cultural changes within themselves, it's called 'evolution'.
As for the alcohol thing, well I suspect any culture who has never dealt with an alcoholic substance would find it difficult to come to terms with in the short term, remember, us whities have had alcohol available for centuries so most of us have adapted to it's use and effect through generations and so it will be for the native also I believe.
I also think that if less time was spent by governments and 'do gooders' pussyfooting around and stated some *real* facts then the gap would narrow a lot faster between the two cultures, but it would still take generations before we could all live in relative harmony,[my opinion]. Those people only exaserpate the problems. If more time was spent looking *at* each other instead of some natives looking *down* on us whities as if we owe them something then things would improve a whole lot faster and easier, this is called 'progress', and nobody can stop that, so it's a case of 'shape up, ship out, or look out'. I'd prefer us all to 'shape up' and get on with life as a nation of multicultural people. We owe them, or anyone else *nothing*, other than to live and work with each other in this, and future societies.
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What really gets to me is people give there opinion on the situation and have never set foot in Australia!
Come over here to perth, and see what Aborigines are really like! you cant even look at them without getting threatened, i have been to the USA a number of times and not once did i see a native american! so i still cant pass judgement on what they are like as people and how society is treating them.
Yes i know what happened in the past was not right at all! but we need to stop living back then and get on and start making things right, and it needs to be on both parts not just the Government side.
the Aborigines can never make up there mind with what they want, they say they want to be treated equally, i think that has been done, now its there turn to treat US with respect too.
They need to do something for themselves too, the government can only help so much, they have said there sorry's, they give the aborinal people free education, money, they have there own police, they get away with everything including murder! what more do they want?
so yeah, people need to come here and see for themselves before making judgment!
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Most of 'em are just lazy drunks sponging off taxpayers. Good thing there aren't many in Melbourne, but when you do see 'em, they are almost always sitting on the steps of the cathedral drinking beer.
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Very sorry to say this,but living in Perth i have witnessed on numerous occassions racism of the most vile nature against not only white Australians but on Asians and in one case an older African lady by Aboriginals.
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Vichel,you are so right. Being a regualar train user and often late at night i have lost count of the number of times i have heard such comments and worse.
I have been verbally abused a couple of times which in turn came in one instance was a split hair away from being resolved by means of a violent outcome.
I intervened one time when a young girl about 14 years old was smashed in the face by an Aboriginal girl of about 16 for she claimed was looking at her. Got no help from any other train patrons,when two of her male mates became highly aggressive towards myself was forced to pull back and got no assistance from a half full train.
The incidents of violence and/or intimidation go on and on here in Perth with little recognition that there is a serious problem out there with little in the way of seeking solutions at this problem.
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You have to understand that films like the one you've referenced are agenda-based. The agenda being to make White people hate themselves, and allow others to use them as doormats.
Australia's Aborigines (those whose ancestry is not mixed) have an average IQ of 62. They were unaware that there was a connection between sex and pregnancy, until outsiders taught them. This should give you a good idea of their cognitive limits. The only two groups with lower IQs are the Bushmen of the Kalahari and the Pygmies of the Congo (IQ54).
And that comparison brings me to something else. The Bantu, the dominant race of Africa, who have been ethnically-cleansing that continent for the last millennium or so, are still in the process of exterminating Bushmen and Pygmies. Pygmies are still being eaten, just as are Gorillas, and other forms of 'Bushmeat'.
By comparison, the whites of Australia have all manner of support mechanisms for the Aborigines. They build public housing for them. They do everything possible, now, to help them. Contrast that, please, with the Bantu's treatment of the Pygmies.
But how much can you do for someone with an IQ of 62? At one point, the threshold for Mental Retardation was 85. But political pressure forced the threshold to be changed to 70 (too many non-whites fell below 85). So, we're talking about a population with an IQ eight points below what the most delusional social engineer concedes is 'retarded'. Now, imagine the synergistic/intensifying effect of a whole community with such an IQ. Imagine the group dynamics that would prevail.
There's a huge problem, right now, with Aborigines sniffing Gasoline. Child-molestation is epidemic, too: particularly for the children of the Gasoline sniffers, who are too out-of-it to protect their offspring. Other social ills are out of control, too. Virtually everyone feels for them. Everyone wants to fix their problems. But how?
It was not the ordinary Australians who instituted the programs which are now viewed as evil and anti-Aborigine. It was the 'elites', including senior members of a certain 'Great World Religion'. These are the same sort of elites who drove the People of the British Isles off their commonly-held lands (read about 'The Highland Clearances', if you want something to be outraged over), declared them 'convicts' or 'indentured servants', and forcibly resettled them in Australia. These are the same sort of 'elites' who wasted Australia's beautiful men as cannon fodder in England's pointless wars against Germany. They're the predecessors of the 'elites' who took away Australians' guns, just before opening wide the Immigration Gates, to admit hordes of terrible people from terrible places.
In any event, those misguided programs were meant to improve the intelligence of the Aborigines through hybridization, and/or to 'educate' them in settings removed from tribal influence and interference. Obviously, both were mistakes.
Average the 100 IQ of the Englishman with the 62 of the Aborigine, and you get 81. That's a very dangerous IQ. Just smart enough to make big trouble. Breed the IQ 81 generation to Englishmen again, and you get 91.
With either 81 or 91, you have an individual who is not going to be able to get very far in an advanced society. But he will be able to understand, when told by media and 'educators', that he should be able to be a doctor or an architect...but is somehow prevented from so being by 'discrimination', or 'the system'. So, instead of happily working on a cattle station, or driving a delivery truck, he will do so unhappily. The culture of victimization-awareness created by the Liberal Orthodoxy is making people, the world over, unhappy with their lot in life, and resentful of those populations who have more and who can do more.
Interesting you should compare Aborigines with Native Americans. I'm a Native American (with 'admixture'). Surely you're aware that 'my people' tortured, enslaved, and killed each other with great enthusiasm. Some tribes succeeded in totally annihilating other tribes (as in Genocide...ethnic cleansing...extinction...). And there were various initiatives to annihilate the white settlements. A couple of those initiatives were successful...Oops! Big mistake... Who knew?
But white people built the schools I attended. The few white teachers in our school were the ones who gave me special attention, and saw past my ragged clothes (I was the poorest kid in a poor school) to the potential I possessed. White people built the Universities I attended. They provided the scholarships that paid for my undergrad degree. And they showered every kindness I can think of, upon 'The Little Indian Girl'. White people engineered and designed the Rolls Royce sitting in my garage. They invented the computer I'm typing into, and the climate control system in my house.
Giant blond men treat me deferentially when I walk into a conference room (not-so-white men tend to be not-so-nice). Tall blonde women ran into the (neighborhood) streets, on quite a few occasions, and scooped up my children, when they got out of bounds. They treated my kids as lovingly as their own. I've seen churches and Synagogues full of white people, collecting money to send to non-whites in foreign countries.
I only truly know what I've experienced. And collectively, white people should be praised for their kindness, rather than vilified for what their ancestors may or may not have done, in obeying the commands of their 'leaders'.
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Sexual orientation
Bulldyke in a Chanel Suit & important jewels, who happens to find men thrilling and women repulsive.
Religion/Worldview
Love The Creator, but have outgrown all religions: even 'Reform'
Pets
We've never had a single one. That money went into the kids' trustfunds.
Any additional information
I had the enormous advantage of growing up without anyone to teach me how & what NOT to think.
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Generally at least on my part there are few generalisations but based on fact.
But true enough there are serious problems around Aboriginals which none have really begain to explain why apart from making excuses for them.
There are government incentives being put in place over the years to assist and rectify past wrongs and in places some are working.
I actually think the days of blatent racism towards Aboriginals is a thing of the past and most whites harbour no illwill. There are those that complain that too much assistance goes towards Aboriginal welfare and special priviliges,which are unavailable to poorer whites,which is about as close to racism as i would hear these days.
Efforts must be made on their side as well to take responsibility towards their own health and ensuring their kids go to school.
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I don't believe anyone has an exclusive claim to land simply by being there first. The Aborigines are lucky the British colonised Australia when they did or it would probably be a Chinese territory now (which would no doubt have had far worse outcomes for them).
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On the other hand, it is doing something of a disservice to the Aboriginal community, not to admit that very serious problems exist that has far wider implications beyond their individual communities that impacts on the entire nation.
It is even now admitted that violence is impacting on the numbers of tourists going to Darwin and Alice Springs,which while no means entirely Aboriginal induced this group is far over represented in being involved in such incidents.
The issue being not those folk that excel primary in the AFL but also a few other sports as well would be even better to see more folk getting into medicine,law etc and developing a greater intellectual presence.
Folk that live in Melbourne and the like will likely be unaware just what problems are experienced by some of those in other localities.
No easy solutions out there,but admitting that a major problem exists is a start on the road to searching out possible solutions to a long festering problem.
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Check out NT News story from around Aug 10 this year from memory. ABC on line also a similar date.That will explain the concern that the NT Tourist folk have with regards to the violence issue.There is a major problem with law and order in much of the NT.Highest murder rate on a per thousand population basis than anywhere else in Australia.So many house holds keep large dogs to protect property there.Nothing new has been as thus for ages.
Would suggest that folk who are in denial that there is a problem of gigantic proportions to spend a little more time than a fleeting visit to these places instead of suggesting it being somewhat normal due to larger numbers than Melbourne or Sydney.What is occurring in a lot of NT is far removed from being normal neither is the rather high number white alcohol related violence which can be seen in the centre all too frequently.
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Actually there are many areas of oppurtunity for Aboriginal applicants if they avail themselves to the education on offer these days.
Feel that "the intervention"was a bit of a political stunt by the Howard government, coming as it did so close to the election.
His government needed something big to lift their sagging fortunes in the polls,much as the so called Boat People issue was used prior to the previous election,with the "Tampa"incident.
Didn't have the desired outcome though and appears to have died a slow death.
As i mentioned before i do feel that most white folk in the country today,putting aside the red necks,especially in some country areas,wish Aboriginals well,but they must take some control of the situation as well.
When ordinary folk here in Perth are subjected to the exteme language often by young with very violent overtones in public places,such as trains and train stations,city centre or where ever it may be,as well as being asked for money and smokes,often in a very demanding sort of way,often seen Asians targeted,,must seem to be a soft touch,then they do their cause no end of harm.
Until folk stand up and say that this behaviour is unacceptable and will not be tolerated it will unlikely end.
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Definitely, absolutely want them to do well and hate seeing the degradation they endure. But we're kinda helpless and powerless as we have to depend on our governments to help them. Yet, as most things govts get involved in, they waste our tax money and leave little to show for it. Doesn't matter what party. So it always pi**es me off when there's this whole blame thing, on us white fellas, as if to imply we're doing something to them to keep them down, or not doing anything for them. Billions and billions of dollars later and countless studies and programs and this and that ... and it looks like it's getting worse.
From what I see, they're raised from a young age to hate everyone else, to blame them for their lives not being fantastic, and to want revenge or payback. While we're stamping out hateful ethnic slurs and other derogatory language from our vocabulary, and teaching our kids to not judge people on their colour, it seems like it's the opposite for Aboriginals. No problem cursing out whitie with "white c***s", or bashing them, stealing from them (hey, whitefella stole from us!). It's all just a self-defeating, stupid way to live your life. As is insisting on living some ancient way of life, imo.
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